• AggieFinn
    966


    At this point, I agree to an extent - but if he's physically ready to play, it might make sense to get 20 snaps or so...my opinion. Coming in stone cold vs. Montana - how much would Rex actually play at that point? I'm not at practice or in the film room, so I don't know how ready Rex is at this point, but he needs to get his feet wet again, and I mean out of the pool therapy, and onto the game field.
  • ARI53
    48
    We have a host of players out due to injury (i do not think anything season ending). Without any special inside knowledge, i do not think any of these players will be rushed back. I thing we are focused on a deep playoff run and better to be at full strength at beginning of playoffs than risk re-injury early season. Also, other players are getting qualify reps so we are building debt across the board.

    With respect to Rex, we do need to protect him because he will be looking to make a push into the NFL. Cannot do that if you are less than 100% going in.
  • FindingJoy
    65
    Winston Williams and Trent Carrade appeared to be full participants in practice today. Hayden John and Kam totten mostly working out in pads on the sideline. Main in pads doing non football workouts. Rex not in pads.
  • LeFan
    89


    Thanks for update. Really need Trent back.
  • Sailorgabe
    244
    I've rewatched every snap Cleeland has played this season, and after going through the film closely, I came away less impressed than I was initially. This isn't a criticism of him personally; it's strictly an evaluation of his current performance and traits from a football perspective.

    After reviewing the most recent game along with the two preceding games, there are several areas that stand out as concerns.

    Pocket Movement/Footwork: Cleeland's footwork is inconsistent, particularly when operating from the pocket. He appears overly active and jittery at times, which can disrupt his base and lead to poor weight transfer. As a result, there are throws where he doesn't appear fully balanced or properly set before releasing the ball. Cleaning up his footwork and developing a more consistent base should be a priority.

    Processing/Progressions: One of the bigger concerns is his ability to work through progressions. He appears to lock onto his initial read too frequently rather than consistently working through the progression and getting to the next option when the first read isn't available. That tendency is becoming more noticeable on film, and defensive backs appear to be recognizing it. He's giving defenders opportunities to read his eyes and anticipate where the ball is going.

    Accuracy/Touch: The arm talent is evident. He has enough arm strength to make throws to all areas of the field, but arm strength hasn't consistently translated into accuracy. His ball placement can be inconsistent, particularly when he's throwing from an unstable base. I also haven't seen a consistent level of touch on throws that require more than simply driving the ball.

    Mobility: I haven't seen much evidence of significant rushing ability. While he can move when necessary, he doesn't appear to have the burst or acceleration to consistently turn broken plays into explosive runs. His mobility currently looks more functional than dynamic.

    Overall: The physical tools are there, particularly the arm strength, but the overall quarterback operation still needs considerable development. The biggest areas for improvement are footwork, pocket composure, processing speed, progression discipline, and ball placement. Those issues appear to be interconnected, particularly when his base and pocket movement break down.

    Based strictly on what I've seen on film this season, I'd currently grade his performance in the C-/D+ range. That's less a reflection of his long-term potential and more an assessment of where his game is right now.
  • Pacifico2
    318
    Duly noted, and I want to make sure we're on the same page. My opinion is simply that I thought Cleeland looked like the guy at the end of spring, and that he should be QB1. Anytime there's a competition, there will be differing opinions, which I respect. I don't feel like 5's done anything to lose that job, and I do like what I've seen from Kollock thus far. However, most of his work has come against defenses that weren't playing their starters in out-of-hand games. In the course of a season, he will eventually get some meaningful reps and hopefully performs well. I don't put as much stock into the SoCal QB deal because he played at essentially the same level of football that Cleeland did. Outside of the Trinity League and Mission Viejo, you see very similar kids in the secondary and on defense in Orange County that you get in the large Portland-area schools so to me, that's a wash. Most QBs in Southern California are at least 1x transfers, as well.
  • Pacifico2
    318
    I wouldn't even count on Rex vs. Montana with practice report. I doubt you go from nothing to playing as far as practice goes, but I could be wrong.
  • Jdur
    547
    2 tickets left!
  • DrMike
    1.3k
    I would expect to see every healthy player suited up and ready to get playing time, especially on special teams throughout the game. No offense to the Mad Hatters, we need to make sure we are as healthy as possible for Montana and beyond.
  • aggies413
    9

    Comparing the talent in southern california even not including the trinity league or for that matter california in general to the talent in Portland oregon is a HUGEEEE stretch. There is a reason that both programs in oregon come to california for kids and not vice versa.
  • Pacifico2
    318
    Obviously the population density in SoCal is much greater which equals a greater talent pool. What I stated (I think) was there wasn't a huge difference between the teams Kollock faced at Laguna Beach or wherever he played and the teams Cleeland played in the Portland suburbs. The Trinity League and the Alpha and Big VII leagues are WELL ahead of EVERY school/league in Oregon, and most of the country for that matter. But when you start dropping down to Division 3 or so in the Southern Section, it is more like what the best teams in Oregon will look like.

    By this point in their collegiate careers, their high school careers are pretty much meaningless. Go Ags!
  • aggies413
    9


    I would still strongly disagree. Notre dame, Tustin, Cathedral, Crean Lutheran, Cajon etc who were all d3 playoff teams last year push out multiple 3,4,5 star prospects every year in a way that no Oregon team does. Yes the talent pool in California in general is much deeper and larger. Most of those schools would run the table in Oregon every year. While their high school careers are meaningless it does give insight into what they are used to seeing. Cleeland has not seen anything remotely similar to the level of skill or scheme on the opposite side of the ball as he has in the past 3 weeks. It is showing. So while the talent may be there that is an important part of the evaluation process. If he can’t read a defense or sit back in the pocket calmly (which we all have seen he can’t) then he shouldn’t be playing.
  • Jdur
    547
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    This is really smart. They are handing out clappers for the game against Stetson that have a schedule QR code printed on them AND lets people know about the theme and game next week against Montana.
  • Riveraggie
    452
    The ucdavisaggies.com site has a good story on Perez, followed by a recap of the SMU game.
    One glaring error overlooks the 47 yard completion between the two Jacksons, Kollock and Fay.

    Cleeland and Gbatu, Jr. connected for a 27-yard completion and a first down at 3:34 in the first quarter, the longest play on offense for UC Davis.
  • Pacifico2
    318
    Yes, agreed, SoCal football is better. I just don't think there was a huge drop off comparing the talent faced two high school seasons ago at Laguna to Jesuit, but I might be wrong.

    If I read what you're saying, Cleeland has the talent but is overwhelmed by the moments and the level of play because he's not used to it, even though he's in his second collegiate season. Kollock has more talent, and is better equipped because he played at maybe a slightly higher level of high school football than Cleeland and is better equipped? Because he saw "more 3, 4, and 5 Star" defenders in High School? I'm guessing he didn't face a single 5 Star and who cares if he did! And his collegiate sample size is not panning out at Minnesota and meaningless reps against the 2nd and 3rd strings at the University of San Diego and SMU vs. the professional opinions of Plough and Shelton? They have MONTHS of practice film, meetings, and 1-on-1 time, but you guys think the guy they chose is scared and in over his head? Not buying that logic, I'll bet on those two coaches every day, and if they've made a mistake, they'll fix it. And I'll support that move if/when it's time to make it for the good of the team.

    We are watching the development of a young, talented QB. There are going to be growing pains. At this juncture of both QB1 and QB2's playing careers, they've practiced and played enough college football where high school is a distant memory. There is what looks to be a capable back-up in the wings in case something goes sideways, which is great for our team. If he is playing better, he will start, mark my words. Our coaches are in it to win, not to play incapable, overwhelmed players. Go Ags!
  • davisguy52
    139
    Agree w Pacifico here. How quickly we forget the struggles of Pinnick in the first few games last year. He got us out of (and into) some jams with his feet though, which disguised other shortcomings..
  • CA Forever
    1.1k
    Only grass tickets available now! Should be a good crowd!
  • Jdur
    547
    Finally! Lets go! 20K in the stadium this year during the opener?!
  • davisguy52
    139
    what's the record??
  • Keyllow70
    17
    17,217 last year vs SUU, also doing a great job advertising to the new students, wouldn’t be surprised to surpass that
  • davisguy52
    139
    Love it. Was SUU also the 3rd weekend?
  • movielover
    743
    Singleton brought in temporary bleachers for big seasons and playoffs
  • Keyllow70
    17
    Yes, same situation as now, students had just came back and freshmen had just moved in. Student section should be rocking, I remember I came too late to even get in.
  • NCagalum
    421
    @davisguy52, @Pacifico2 I seem to remember a member or two on this board finding many faults with Pinnick last year - so no surprise when its repeated this year. I trust Plough’s knowledge about the situation. I remember when I was not a fan of Hastings, and he turned out pretty good.
  • Pacifico2
    318
    Personnel selection is an imperfect science, and everyone has different flavors. There are as many opinions as there are people, and I appreciate the fact that we can all share them, agree on some, and agree to disagree on others. I wasn't a big Pinnick guy but man would I cheer when he extended a play or escaped from danger! And his TD throw at Cal Poly last year was the best throw I have ever witnessed in person. Not bothered by being wrong at my age
  • ARI53
    48
    My guess is that we still have 500+ seats left on the home side. Not sure why the ticket office holds back large groups of seats.
  • Zander
    284
    Maybe keeping blocks for groups available? It's odd though.

    Still imagine this is going to be an easy burst past 10K. SUU was pretty much exactly a year ago, but not sure if that was the move-in weekend or not based on academic calendar. Hoping next week for Montana is 12K+ with the new student run and all
  • Keyllow70
    17
    Just really weird stuff, I took a screenshot of what it was like just a few days ago.56czjpphwskvlc41.jpeg
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