• DrMike
    731
    good luck to Paul. Hawkins talked very highly of him, and his rise up the ranks
  • Jackbacker
    2
    Paul is wonderful person and coach. Wish him the best on this next chapter. I can see him thriving in the high school stage.
  • Riveraggie
    244
    Given that he came from HS football, where he was a coordinator prior to coming here, with the idea of moving into college coaching, it seems like a retrograde move considering he was making moves up the ranks.
    We have had a lot of coaching turnover, there is always some but this much seems unusual.
    Most departures were clearly driven by better opportunities, but since 2019 we have changed offensive coordinator, QB coach, tight end coach, receiver coach, offensive line coach,
    On defense it’s not quite as much turnover but a new defensive coordinator, and a departed defensive line coach with other coaches shifting roles. I likely missed some.
  • DrMike
    731
    im guessing it’s driven by economics or just wanting to get back to Tennessee. His wife was a OBGYN in Sac which is what I thought brought them out here. He was basically a grad assistant at first.
  • Riveraggie
    244
    So part of the continuing California brain drain. No state income taxes in Tennessee.
  • agalum
    331
    Saw a stat from Uhall on where their rentals were headed from California. Tennessee and Texas were the top destinations. There were so many rented out that there was a waiting list.
  • CA Forever
    662
    I would probably feel differently if I was born and raised there, but I lived in Tennessee for just a short time while I was working on my doctorate and while cost of living was nice, I honestly couldn't wait to get the heck out of there. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
  • movielover
    531
    Young family, and extended family there.
  • DavisAggie
    46
    is this a joke? no one is moving from California to Tennessee because of taxes
  • Riveraggie
    244
    Young MD probably has substantial student debt and can probably make as much money elsewhere as in Sacramento.
    You might not but a lot of people would move for a $20 000 increase in take home pay.
  • movielover
    531
    With young children, being near family is probably key. Transparent California lists a Daryl P Shelton making $33,500 in 2020, so add in his raise and opportunity to be a HC.
  • Riveraggie
    244
    I’m not saying why they left.
    I’m just saying that for young doctors who maybe came out here to do a lowly paid residency or fellowship, who are in their thirties and whose debt may exceed their assets, California is not a good place to try to make up for getting that late start in building wealth.
  • movielover
    531
    Jacob Thomas, Quality Control O line, has a new job in North Carolina at Lenoir-Rhyne University.
  • Riveraggie
    244
    Roster listed Jacob Thomas as an assistant coach for the offensive line although he was hired last winter as a quality control assistant; we had two seasons last year so apparently he earned a promotion.
  • 69aggie
    377
    River, we sold our davis house in 2014 to a recent ucd md grad. Had to see his pre qualifications letter. His starting salary at sutter davis: $550,000 a year. Granted he was an orthopedist and chief resident, but still with that salary he will have no problems with paying off a student loan.
  • Riveraggie
    244
    I have a daughter graduated UCLA med. First thing after medical school a five year residency at approximately $59,000 a year at a major midwestern university, a peer institution with Davis, but in a larger metropolitan area.
    After residency which is where MDs learn their specialty they then can make significant income but they have spent four years in medical school racking up debt, and three to five years in residency making a token salary. But they have a large debt that isn’t tax deductible, and states like California tax them like they are the “rich” and they have no retirement vesting, probably no house equity, California has a large population of poor people which means doctors who serve a cross section of the population have a lot of patients with Medicaid which doesn’t pay well. The cost of living here is high, and medical salaries are not correspondingly high. So moving out of state might make sense.
  • DavisAggie
    46
    I would say 550k is "correspondingly high". No comparison in the legal field either, nobody is going to the South or Midwest to make money
  • Riveraggie
    244
    According to zip recruiter the average MD salary in Tennessee is greater than California.

    The era of people making more money in California is in the past.

    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Physician-Salary-by-State

    Also an Orthopedic surgeon makes a lot more than an Obstetrician.
  • movielover
    531
    My understanding is that is why many doctors go on to become specialists to make big money and do 'interesting' work. We reportedly have problems getting GPs bc of what you describe. 200-300k per year doesn't work for most, especially w student debt.
  • Riveraggie
    244

    Almost all doctors have some speciality, and they’ve missed out on a lot of pay getting their training, but that wasn’t my initial point. My point was that a family with the primary earner being a young professional may have may have financial incentives to leave California. I’m stunned that that seems hard to believe. There are lots of jobs which don’t pay more in California and lots of states where the taxes and cost of living are less. Tennessee happens to be one where doctors make as much or more money on average, cost of living is 18% less and they don’t make the doctor work for more than a month to pay their state taxes.
  • AggieFan81
    1
    Hired by a former Aggie. Anthony Soto, offensive coordinator for LR. Go Ags!!
  • NCagalum
    264
    hah, we have friends who live about a half mile from there (South Doyle) We lived in Knoxville when I was in grad school and it is a very nice “town”. Bought a 50 year old house with cash on the barrel head (wife sold condo in CA) for about 82k but mind you in 1990. Yes no income tax but sales tax was 10% then. Nothing like going to a football game there. Saw UOP (yes), UCLA, Notre Dame, and Alabama among others. I opened my PhD defense with (imagine chopping motion) what is this in Atlanta (go braves)….in Tallahassee (go Noles), in Knoxville (first and 10 Alabama). Fortunately committee members laughed.
  • Jackbacker2
    29
    Bummer. Paul is a wonderful person. Coaching football is hard. I hope his next chapter is positive for him and his family!
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