Thank you. I agree with smarterray, analysis like this needs wider distribution. Davis Enterprise or Sacramento Bee op-ed?

These explanations really water down the use of the word "evidence", you'd think a law grad would show more critical thinking.

Are the Band-uh or Band Alumni fighting this? Is there any potential Appeal process?

One minor point. Likely no administrators still around from 1981, and even few from later periods. But what lives on is the stereotype.

When was the last time we had a streaker? I recall an afternoon game at Toomey under Biggs (?) where 2 streakers ran from endzone to endzone with just a sock over their privates. Hysterical. Probably a felony today.

I recall the CAMB was spoofing some politician at halftime, guy was caught with cocaine. They pretended the 50 YD Line was coke, and brought our a huge razor blade to cut and snort the 50-yard line!

And how many points were the beloved Band-uh worth?

I recall going to Humboldt, and Chico games, shocked to immediately hear staff and fans say, "Is your band coming?" Not questions about O'Brien or others, no mention of Sochor. Part fear, part admiration. They could turn an away game into a neutral site, or better.

The #5 rated FCS program with an All American QB just survived a scare from a non-scholarsjip Patriot team?

Missing Moe, Parenteau, Doss, others, and 2 injured MLBs? How many sacks did we achieve?

How long was the pass, in the air? (Not run after catch.)

Yes and no. I admit I haven't read the full report.

Much of what he describes as evidence may actually be allegations, exaggeration, and hearsay. No doubt reforms were needed. A young lady, a primary accuser, admitted her agenda and admitted nothing (assaults) happened. Imagine most fraternities closed, and a coach or two removed. Many of these allegations also surround private student behavior.

If these are the new standards, are 80% of fraternities going to be given the death sentence, and half the dorm and bar parties?

Dunning also ignores the previous Davis culture - giving undergraduate students responsibility in leadership positions.

Bob Dunning writes lovingly of Band memories. And then this.

"“Nearly half the band members surveyed said they were concerned about the consumption of drugs or alcohol. ‘So much drinking was involved that people could’ve died,’ one band member wrote.”

"The report gets much more detailed and leaves no doubt that UC Davis’ decision to immediately and permanently disband the band was the appropriate course of action."

"Indeed, the volume of evidence was overwhelming and the law firm’s conclusions compelling, as disheartening as that might be for those of us who loved the band."

"Still, what are we to do with all those memories?"

And here was part of a reply.

Troy Turpen: "Remember them, of course. Yes, good people can do bad things...yet extraordinary people can do extraordinary things, and we did them constantly, consistently, with dignity, bravado and sometimes brashness, but our representation of the campus was genuine, heartfelt and true. We loved who we were and what we represented, and we did so with honor. ***In private, we were college kids...no more, no less. We should have known we were being held to a higher standard even in our private lives, and with better advice (and a modicum of understanding from those who, as full-fledged adults, should have guided better) we probably wouldn't have done half the things we did.*** There's plenty of culpability to go around, and vestiges of a different time should have been excised...now they have simply killed the patient, with no regard towards a true cure. An ignominious end to an otherwise shining organization."

https://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/dunning/bob-dunning-band-uh-was-a-huge-part-of-davis/

Yes, we probably have a lot of agreement. And the Alumni Band frequently socializing with undergrads does sound a bit bizarre, if true. Was if just a couple of alums?

We know its not the full story, by definition. And there have been blatant agendas published.

Ms. Seijas said her goal was an investigation.

Her friend shared **shocking stories of unkind treatment at parties.**

"My friend came to me with stories of what had happened to her even at these parties," Seijas said. "... Nobody was getting hurt but people are getting hurt. You just have to look closer." "

But she said, "Nobody was getting hurt." I. E., no assualt. They directly contradict themselves.

And let's please not be naive. College campuses, especially liberal college campuses like Davis are anti-male. A friend on campus says "The only people lower than white males are Jewish students." I believe there have been a few male students at Davis railroaded out of school by an allegation of improper behavior without a chance to properly rebut said allegations.

You are entitled to your opinion. Why have the administrators been so secretive? Why would a WELL KNOWN, WELL LOVED INSTITUTION be scrapped so readily? Why couldn't they see the allegations - and have a chance to reply? One vocal accuser - directly - said NOTHING HAPPENED!

This process parallels the multiple recent sexual assault allegations, where young men often can't even rebut or answer allegations! One young Band-uh accuser, in a simple google search, directly said nothing happened, but a friend of hers had something allegedly hurtful said. ("Kill yourself.") Bad joke? Contrivance? Bitter break up?

No stretch. Notice these people with hurt feelings are rarely if ever physics, engineering, French, Econ, or Biology majors? An email survey and interviewing one side (people with hurt feelings) sure smacks of a stacked deck.

NCagalum wrote: "...but one who complained in the California Aggie “a third-year American studies and gender, sexuality and women’s studies double major”."

BINGO!!!

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Better be. Two years running we struggle to move the ball against a Pac 12 ... if we wanna gun for a championship, we need that next step.

Think about this. The CAMB may have a higher favorability rating than UCD!!

It sounds like 2 young ladies may be 'social justice warriors'? I can guess what their majors are.

Done in the summer, behind closed doors, when the CAMB can't defend itself.

Generic U, here we come. Where's Bob Dunning when you need him?

I heard years ago band uniforms were in bad shape. One of our first big athletic donors, an old timer, wrote s check.

Don't forget this victim mindset / new politics helped take down AD Sochor for an administration basketball hiring, and brought a women's lawsuit which included Ass AD Pam Gil.

Our administration also controls the bookstore. Some campus bookstores run by students.

Are UCLA and Berkeley bands now campus run? Was that the end goal, more centralized top-down control?

I chatted with some band members 8-10 years ago. Women. They hated the bureaucracy. Their complaints?

I believe they said almost no support. Not meals at games, not even bottled water. No priority for getting classes (I think Cal does), so the whole band rarely could all practice together.

I don't see how this backdoor quasi investigation differentiates between private behavior and official Band behavior. When one basketball player did something, possibly on a university road trip, the whole team wasn't banned. The Band is much larger, so a few people pushing the envelope on private time isn't out of the norm.

Sac Bee May 30, 2019

"Ema Seijas and her friend were two of the students who came forward. Seijas is a former section leader of the Cal Aggie Marching Band (CAMB) who quit just a few weeks ago.

"She told ABC10 that when she first joined, it seemed to be everything she was looking for in an organization and she thought, "This is exactly what I want to do."

However, she chose to leave after her friend shared **shocking stories of unkind treatment at parties.**

"My friend came to me with stories of what had happened to her even at these parties," Seijas said. "How she had been told to kill herself at these parties. Nobody did anything. I was at these parties. How is this happening? I wanted to believe this band all the people were doing was having fun. Nobody was getting hurt but people are getting hurt. You just have to look closer." "

Edit. Ema Seijas says in this article her goal was an investigation.

But she says, "Nobody did anything". "Nobody was getting hurt." I. E., no assualt. They directly contradict themselves.

Will the proud Cal Aggie Band lie down for this? Will alumni let it stand?

Possibly one sided? Death by Innuendo and Exaggeration?

No ability to rebute, put in context, bury straw men?

Any idea what the current CAMB members think?

I've heard so many people speak joyfully and reverently of our beloved band. Opponents feared, but loved them. "Is your band coming?"

It is tough to imagine large scale, illegal behavior. More like the dorms - some people are bookworms, some in the middle, and a more rambunctious group. This likely falls on administrative hurt feelings from a previous outside band director who, if I recall, seemed sensitive and peculiar - to establish a pattern of behavior?

Does the Defendant (the Band) get a chance to defend silly or wild allegations?

Rebuttal? Confront wild accusations?

If I recall from an earlier Bee article, there was possibly one young woman who had some kind of encounter with a male member, and months or a year later decided it wasn't consensual? She may have been a driving force.

Do most female band members agree with this 'independent report'?

Possibly demand pricing, a new thing / Blue approach. I.E., a big game, possible sell out, tickets cost more.

Sac Bee, Oct 25, 2017

Suicide, investigation and a lawsuit follow booze-fueled UC Davis ag school retreat

"It was supposed to be a two-day retreat to Monterey, a chance for a small group of employees in UC Davis’ agriculture college to bond and tour a lettuce-growing operation in nearby Salinas."

"Instead, the event turned into an alcohol-fueled bender that one participant later likened to a “booze cruise” at the Intercontinental Hotel on Cannery Row, a hotel so expensive that some staffers were asked to share beds in their rooms with co-workers."

"One manager was accused of stripping naked and asking underlings to join him in a bathtub. Two others admitted they began drinking vodka and cranberry juice on the morning car ride down to Monterey while singing along to the movie “Footloose.” "

"...And the chief administrative officer of the department, a newly hired Air Force colonel with a wife and two young children, drove to an empty field in Rio Linda, put a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger."

"The suit claims UC Davis discriminated against De Los Santos because he was a veteran, alleging that he was suspended and told to stay away from campus because officials were concerned he would “show up with a gun.” "

"...The retreat involved 17 staff members from the “Phoenix Cluster,” an arm of the Department of Entomology and Nematology that advises students and provides support for departments in the agriculture college."

Two staffers drank all the way down, in a car (university vehicle?).

Alcohol was purchased on a University credit card, and given to De Los Santos. Rooms $414.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/the-public-eye/article180729426.html

Double standards?

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